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Post by worldwidedefenselabs on Sept 23, 2014 20:37:02 GMT -6
What would happen if we blew up Jupiter?
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philliplong
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Post by philliplong on Sept 23, 2014 21:01:43 GMT -6
Best explanation on the internet:The mass of Jupiter is about 1027 kg which, via E=mc2, translates to 1044 joules. If one turned the planet into thermonuclear fuel in some way and detonated it immediately, about 1% or 1042 joules would be released. Because the diameter of Jupiter is about 130,000 km, the blast would last at least half a second or so. So we have 1042 joules per half a second. It's 2×1042 watts.
The Sun only releases 4×1026 watts of power, so the blast would be 2×1016 times stronger than the Sun. However, looking at the effects on the Earth, we must realize that Jupiter is about 5 times further from the Earth than the Sun, reducing the energy flux by a factor of 52=25. So the half-second blast seems about 1015 times stronger than the sunshine. The equilibrium temperature is, because of the σT4 law, about 104 times higher than that from the sunshine, about a million degrees.
The Sun warms the Earth by a degree in hours or so. A source that is 1015 times stronger obviously needs a tiny fraction of a second to reach thousands of degrees and evaporate the matter on the surface. So no doubt about it, the thermonuclear blast of Jupiter would burn and evaporate all nearby sides of all the planets – all of them are comparably far from the ground zero.
On the other hand, would the incoming energy be able to evaporate the whole Earth? We would be getting 1015×342×4π×6,378,0002∼2×1032 watts for half a second, about 1032 joules per the blast and per the surface of the Earth. The specific heats of materials are comparable to 1,000 joules per Celsius degree and kilogram so we have 1029 kilogram-degrees to be heated. Divide it by the Earth mass below 1025 kg to see that you may still heat the material by tens of thousands of degrees by the incoming light. So I do think that this could evaporate the whole Earth but not the largest planets like Saturn.
Needless to say, the Sun itself would be pretty much untouched. Its surface already has 6,000 degrees or so. The strong radiation from Jupiter could bring it to a million of degrees, by the calculation above, but it's the same as the temperature of the interior layers. So the Sun would get destabilized a bit but it would quickly converge back to the Sun we know, I guess.
The calculations above are completely unrealistic because at most, one could think about turning Jupiter into a small star that would still burn very slowly and would be far weaker than the Sun.
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Post by worldwidedefenselabs on Sept 23, 2014 21:30:46 GMT -6
But even if Jupiter didn't destroy Earth or any other planets, what would you think the effects it's absence would have on the Solar System?
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Post by mashby5 on Sept 24, 2014 8:15:34 GMT -6
Mercury would be safeIt would probably take a while to feel any major effects. Jupiter exerts roughly 0.0062% of the force on earths' orbit that the sun does. A much more interesting question: What if the sun took a similar vacation?
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Post by Mr. Askey on Sept 25, 2014 16:07:15 GMT -6
If the sun disappeared, we should enjoy our last 8.5 minutes. Although life WOULD go on for a quite awhile on earth without a sun. We would be an orphan planet. Hopefully, we would eventually find another star to orbit. Oh . . . humans are toast. It would be the life that would thrive around thermo vents below miles of ice ion our oceans that would go on.
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Post by mashby5 on Sept 25, 2014 18:20:04 GMT -6
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Post by dragorn65 on Sept 28, 2014 21:50:49 GMT -6
I wonder it jupiter or saturn could have been a failed stars
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Post by Mr. Askey on Sept 28, 2014 22:35:50 GMT -6
If jupiter was 100 times more massive, it would have been a star.
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Post by Mr. Askey on Sept 28, 2014 22:36:46 GMT -6
and we wouldn't be here.
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Post by mashby5 on Oct 6, 2014 8:56:15 GMT -6
Jupiter would only have to be about 93 times it's current size to become a real star, and since it is composed almost entirely of hydrogen and helium, it would be able to maintain fusion. However, if it were only about 13 times more massive, it would begin fusing deuterium and become a brown dwarf. We might, as a species, survive such an event. Interestingly enough, if Jupiter were a brown dwarf, it would still have roughly the same diameter. The sun is huge because the energy produced by fusion forces matter away from the core, but deuterium fusion does not produce enough energy to resist gravity.
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Post by mashby5 on Oct 6, 2014 9:03:51 GMT -6
The *truly* catastrophic event would be Jupiter's inevitable crash into the sun. If it failed to collide with us on the way in, it would most certainly do some amusing things to the orbits of the planets, and possibly create some new asteroid belts. When you think about it, the addition of any amount of mass large enough to destabilize Jupiter's orbit would eventually turn it into a "star"
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Post by worldwidedefenselabs on Oct 8, 2014 19:32:43 GMT -6
If you were to design a payload for a "match-lighting" robot to send to Jupiter, how would you design it? How would it enter the atmosphere?
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Post by mashby5 on Oct 8, 2014 21:26:13 GMT -6
You wouldn't. Any device large enough to allow Jupiter to begin fusion would have to be more massive than all the other planets combined, times several. Any explosive device large enough to destroy Jupiter would be massive as well. You could probably destroy it with enough antimatter, but the cost would be so great, I literally can not express it here. *technically* you could use a black hole, which could be any size, but that would be more difficult than using antimatter (which is already almost impossible).
Virtually none of these plans would allow humanity to survive.
Also, when you say "match-lighting", you imply that Jupiter is ready to blow already, and only lacks ignition. Jupiter is in fact quite chemically stable.
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